FOUR ([info]girlboymusic) wrote,
@ 2008-01-02 15:34:00
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I am possibly too invested in my disposable media.
I started reading Gawker in 2005, about a month after I started my internship at CosmoGIRL. It was mostly out of necessity: I was commuting out of Jersey with no prior internships, the other girls in my cubicle were in the NYU journalism program, and Gawker was a crash course -- no, an entire crash degree -- in the world of New York media. I was genuinely fond of the Gawker Stalker, though -- and, maybe not coincidentally, I finally stopped reading when they rolled out the Gawker Stalker Map, which promised concise, realtime updates of stars' whereabouts, as opposed to a lengthy, end-of-the-week compendium of snapshot nonfiction.

For all the complaints about the map, nobody mentioned the real problem, which was that it missed the fucking point: the pleasure of the Gawker Stalker was the meta double voyeurism -- watching people watching themselves watching people -- the prose and the thought, not the stargazing itself. Nobody reading Gawker (media folk in Midtown offices) was going to get up and go down to SoHo to try and catch a glimpse of Claire Danes eating a taco, especially since Gawker was all about how we didn't want to do that, anyway. How we were too good for fame, how we hated the people who thought it mattered, how we were hilariously ashamed of ourselves when we found ourselves staring at Uma Thurman in Whole Foods. And it ended up not being realtime anyway, or even particularly useful (thanks for showing me where 23rd and Broadway is, Gawker, because I totally forgot) and the whole thing was just the beginning of Gawker's downhill slide into being hostile and hypocritical and tail-eating above all else.

So maybe it was my kneejerk reaction to Gawker Media that made me hate Idolator. (Although I was still reading Defamer on and off -- probably because they still stalk celebrities in periodic digest format.) Maybe it wasn't as pompous and one-note as I thought. Or maybe it was terrible and I had good reason to stop reading. (I've also started re-reading Gawker, and they are just as awful as I thought back then, despite good coverage of the MTV permalancers scuffle and that Army Times piece.) Whichever it was, at some point while I was passionately hating them, they stopped sucking and started being pretty fantastic, and someone, I think it was [info]koganbot, shut me up and alerted me to this fact, and this morning when Jess made a post about blogging unbathed at 10:30am and watching ER reruns, I thought, "I want to work at Idolator." And when I came across this article about Nick Denton possibly wanting to sell it off, my heart gave a panicked flutter of "oh God, no!"

None of which stops me from mispronouncing their name.



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[info]skyecaptain
2008-01-02 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Don't know if Frank ever came around to them, but I know that whenever Brian Rafferty stopped working there and it was Maura + temp eds, it really changed its general outlook, enough that I read every day or two instead of once a week. Jess is hit or miss for me; when he's good, he reminds me that I've been reading his writing since it was "controversial" that he was working for Pfork (when it was really good, too), and when he's bad it reminds me that constant blogging necessarily turns good people intermittently bad. Their Ashlee hatred still perplexes me, because generally they're pro-pop these days (and it's only when they're talking about Ashlee that they remind me of the general tone of those early posts).

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[info]girlboymusic
2008-01-04 04:38 am UTC (link)
I'm not crazy about Jess, either, but I think it's mostly because he and I have different taste. Although he obviously puts off showering to watch TNT's Primetime in the Daytime, so maybe we're more alike than I thought.

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[info]velvetandlace
2008-01-03 12:29 am UTC (link)
(Hi, I think I added you on a whim after I posted on ONTD yesterday!)

I'm a media junkie currently living in New Zealand, and I've been quite sucked into Gawker in the past myself, though obviously for less practical reasons. I find the culture of media fascinating, I'm a scholar of when I'm not hawking holidays, and it's funny that you mention it...

As soon as the Gawker Stalker map came into play, I stopped reading the section entirely. I think part of that had to do it with it all now being far too unrelatable for me. But, like you, I was totally drawn into the meta concept (it's why I flick over Defamer once a week or so).

I've found more enjoyment in other Gawker media sites myself, newest being Jezebel and Idolator, but my general annoyance with Gawker itself seems to linger. When things stop being a wink and a nod and lose the grain of salt... well, then, that's it.

And now I feel like I sound totally pretentious! Um, hi :)

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[info]girlboymusic
2008-01-03 07:53 pm UTC (link)
(Hi! Are you the girl I loved on ONTD for being made of Ryan Seacrest icons? Or was that [info]stoptocheer?)

And no, you definitely don't sound pretentious. I know I'm not saying anything revolutionary here, but Gawker is just a really unpleasant place to be. A lot of people complain about the meanness, but it's not the meanness. (I'm on ONTD, for God's sake.) It's this feeling that Gawker isn't really interested in media anymore -- it's interested in itself, as media, or as a subject of media. (This feeling is probably exacerbated by the fact that I returned right when everyone quit and then blogged about quitting.) And I think it really did start with the map (or specifically, them getting reamed by Jimmy Kimmel about the map), because that was the height of their relevance and that when they started reporting on themselves, and I think they've somehow confused the two.

But anyway, yeah, nice to meet you! I can shake that gross Gawker feeling at Idolator and Defamer, but I haven't been able to shake it at Jezebel, although I do enjoy some of their stuff.

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[info]velvetandlace
2008-01-03 08:00 pm UTC (link)
That was [info]stoptocheer! She & I are flatmates.

I know exactly what you mean about Gawker now being self-inclusive, I guess you could call it. And whenever it strives to be sort of metatextual about it, it just comes off as really pompous. And at once it becomes less about exposing/highlighting/examining the media, and more about self-promotion, and that makes me uncomfortable.

Plus Nick Denton seems kind of like a douche.

Nice to meet you also :) What sites get your attention moreso than Gawker media?

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[info]girlboymusic
2008-01-04 04:34 am UTC (link)
I need to move in with you.

Plus Nick Denton seems kind of like a douche.

Yeah, that too.

I read Television Without Pity and their forums pretty regularly, plus A Socialite's Life, and I check The Sartorialist, NYMag.com, The New York Times, 30frames, and Totally Unauthorized from time to time. And [info]poptimists is the only community on my friends page, although it can be a little hard to penetrate. (Heh, I said "penetrate.") But I spend most of my Internet time favoriting shit on my YouTube, to be honest.

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[info]velvetandlace
2008-01-04 05:27 am UTC (link)
I need to move in with you.

We're fairly awesome. You'd probably have to share a room with our comic boxes, or something. And live in New Zealand, but I made the jump from Australia, so I would have to recommend it!

... Wow. I never remember to favourite vids when I'm surfing YouTube, but I seriously should. Um, just looking at yours I can see that you are clearly a person with interests right up my alley! I may have to stalk your vids! You have QI there, my god. And the Black Sheep trailer! And Lo...

... And Banana Phone. We may have to marry.

At the very least, I'll be exploring your vids for a while!

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[info]girlboymusic
2008-01-05 04:16 pm UTC (link)
That's all right, I currently share a room with a large pile of magazines.

You like QI! And Black Sheep! And Lo! Yeah, we are definitely made for each other.

Wait till you get to my earliest favorites, it's like entirely videos of Ryan Seacrest. I'm kind of terrified though, because I heard the other day that YouTube only lets you have 400 or 500 favorites, which means I'm about to hit the limit.

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[info]koganbot
2008-01-03 03:02 pm UTC (link)
No, it wasn't me. Probably was the [info]skyecaptain. I wouldn't say that I've come around to them, since I don't give them enough time, because there are too many other sites I've gotten caught up visiting instead. (Have barely had time to look at Popular, one of the best Web projects ever.) Idolator's treatment of Paris was mean and stupid and anti-intellectual and utterly detestable, though that was before Jess was on board. I considered Jess a long-time ally of mine on ilX, but it's painful to watch the guy go sour and cynical and unhappy - which he does continually. So I'm wary of visiting just because sometimes it's traumatic to look.

Btw, [info]maura has an lj.

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[info]girlboymusic
2008-01-03 07:10 pm UTC (link)
I went back and looked and it was you, actually, but you were just pointing out that Maura was there and not all bad.

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